Digg Has Moderators — They Just Suck

Amazon's S3 Kicking Ass while no one noticesIn a fairly old post dugg up, it was found that Kevin Rose admits to using human moderators to edit Digg (Thanks to Muhammad over at themulife.com for the tip on this one). I suppose the surprise is in the admission of something that isn’t publicly written down, albeit that its from almost two years ago. We’ve known Digg’s moderators exist — and moderation isn’t the problem in and of itself.

But there are two issues with Digg’s moderation that I take exception to.

i) they are clearly ineffective — as evidenced by the three leaks over the past few weeks; the fake story about the 650k PS3’s that needed to be recalled (attributed to Reuters, clearly false); the spammer’s post hitting the frontpage, getting free, free, traffic; and most shocking, the results of a phisher’s exploits posted to the frontpage of Digg. The problem here is that Digg is so big and so popular that time spent on the frontpage is like throwing up whatever it is in giant headlights for thousands and thousands of people to see.

Digg’s ninja moderators work in the background, but its clearly not their chief occupation — in many cases, people have to email digg to let them know about an abuse AFTER it hits the front page … and in some cases, like the phisher’s exploits, this is clearly unacceptable.

ii) they are completely opaque – their roles are often hidden under the role of “spam killing ninjas”. That is, although they probably perform other functions, their chief is to find stuff that is inappropriate, and then kill it. Obliterate accounts, delete posts — so that they are never found again, as opposed to the fairly benign “bury” button. The problem with this, as with the fact you can’t tell anything about buried items (who did it, how many “buries” did it take) is that the pricess is completely opaque. Moderators do what they do without a trail, and without any evidence. Whether or not its a function of how big and popular its become (and how much mail they receive) is sort of immaterial — trying to email Digg to restore your account once its been obliterated is difficult if not impossible. What is also difficult is getting much of a response on anything unless you’ve got real juice with any of the Digger’s back there, or are an elite Digger.

Digg’s “moderation system” is really comprised of both Diggers and moderators; it relies on Diggers to bury items that are potentially offensive; the problem is that people “digg” things without reading them, so stuff can reach the frontpage that is clearly inappropriate. On the moderator side of things, either because they are understaffed, overworked, or just don’t have a strong enough mandate, most of the time, they are acting AFTER the fact.

Again, even an a single hour on the frontpage of Digg can result in a post being exposed to thousands and thousands of pageviews — which for some kinds of news is again, clearly inappropriate.

So does Digg have moderators? Sure they do. Unfortunately, the system of moderation that both Diggers and moderators take part in is clearly broken. Digg needs a better system of checks and balances in this respect that protects both its own reputation (from fake posts, spammers) and others (those who risk their privacy being violated).

tip: Stephen’s blog on Digg’s Moderation Ninjas

3 Comments

  1. Posted November 24, 2006 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you here completely. I think that the whole “pointing out that digg has moderators” thing was misconstrued by the masses as stating that digg is up to no good. I feel like Muhammad’s post, as well as my post, ‘digg’s ninja moderators’, were merely written to clear up the common misconception that digg has no moderators.

    Sadly, the story at submitted to digg was buried as ‘inaccurate’ when it was clearly not as Kevin Rose himself weighed in confirming its truth.

  2. Posted November 24, 2006 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    And man — was it buried fast … in probably around 90 minutes, and possibly by less than 10-15 buries too.

    Thanks for dropping by, Stephen.

  3. Posted December 19, 2006 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Leo Laporte and Amber MacArthur interviewed Kevin on Net@night episode 5:The Digg Effect http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=3185(where they take caller questions)

    The question of how Digg is monitered/moderated is asked by a caller, and Kevin answers him.

6 Trackbacks

  1. By Kevin Rose Admitting Digg Has Moderators on November 24, 2006 at 10:56 am

    [...] Learn more about the problems with Digg’s moderators. // [...]

  2. By GigaOM » Dissing Digg… Why? on November 24, 2006 at 12:25 pm

    [...] A more balanced and sensible response comes from Deep Jive Interests who writes, “the system of moderation that both Diggers and moderators take part in is clearly broken. Digg needs a better system of checks and balances in this respect that protects both its own reputation (from fake posts, spammers) and others (those who risk their privacy being violated).” After reading Niall’s post exposing the spammers and Digg-gamers from last week, I agree with DJI’s assessment. [...]

  3. [...] Auch digg hat immer wieder mit seiner Glaubwürdigkeit zu kämpfen. Seine Moderatoren wurden in der englischsprachigen Blogwelt immer wieder (zum Großteil zu Recht) kritisiert. Scheindemokratie, anyone? Wer eine Seite zu einem großen Teil auf usergenerated Content aufbaut, ist besser so transparent wie möglich, sonst fliegt ihm der ganze Mumpitz irgendwann um die Ohren. [...]

  4. [...] Top Diggers should become moderator if they are interested (eventually even renumerated). The Netscape model has proven his value. A moderator should be allowed to correct typos, correct links and many more. But at the same time moderators should have the power to immediately ban spam entries (close down as Netscape calls it) and to move entries among categories. Every action of a moderator should be disclosed. Moderator’s submissions should not have any higher status. Read more about Digg’s moderators at Deep Jive Interests. [...]

  5. [...] “spam” button so that he doesn’t have to employ a serious number of moderators? He’s *depending* on the community to “police” itself, because he doesn’t have the will to hire enough people to police itself? (or the cash. Or, [...]

  6. [...] [STALE] I love Richard MacManus’s Read/Write Web.  But jeez, isn’t this whole conversation about Digg requiring / having / needing better editors / moderators about 8 months old? [...]

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