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		<title>What Drives More Traffic Than Getting Digged, Reddited, Delicious&#8217;d, or StumbledUpon?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the &#8220;oh yeah &#8212; its that important&#8221; department&#8221;, Om &#8220;GigaOm&#8221; Malik reports how beneficial being &#8220;buzzed&#8221; has been for GigaOm.com.  And of course he&#8217;s referring to Yahoo Buzz, which is a social news type of site that was launched (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/07/16/what-drives-more-traffic-than-getting-digged-reddited-deliciousd-or-stumbledupon/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8220;oh yeah &#8212; its that important&#8221; department&#8221;, <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/07/16/what-getting-buzzed-says-about-yahoo/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/gigaom.com');" target="_blank">Om &#8220;GigaOm&#8221; Malik reports</a> how beneficial being &#8220;buzzed&#8221; has been for GigaOm.com.  And of course he&#8217;s referring to Yahoo Buzz, which is a social news type of site that was launched some months ago.  Its funny how some news gets lost in the wake of other tech &#8220;buzz&#8221; (cough, cough FRIENDFEED cough, cough), but Om&#8217;s numbers seem to validate the giant deluge in traffic that other sites have noticed.</p>
<p>In fact, in March, Richard MacManus detailed the kind o<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/yahoo_buzz_is_a_game_changer.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.readwriteweb.com');" target="_blank">f traffic-licious bounty that many &#8220;mainstream&#8221; blogs were enjoying thanks to getting Buzzed</a>. </p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>*  Salon.com reached over <strong>1 million uniques in one day</strong> for the first time in the company&#8217;s 12-year history, after Yahoo.com linked to one of their highly &#8220;buzzed&#8221; stories (they issued </em><a href="http://sev.prnewswire.com/publishing-information-services/20080310/NYM02910032008-1.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/sev.prnewswire.com');"><em>this press release</em></a><em>)</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· US Magazine: In part due to a Yahoo.com link, February 27th was the second highest day in overall Usmagazine.com traffic since its launch in June 2006. Referral visits from the Yahoo! homepage accounted for 32% of total visits that day.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· When Yahoo.com linked to one of their stories, The Smoking Gun received approximately<strong> 1 million additional page views over their average traffic, </strong>with over 275,000 visitors coming from the Yahoo! homepage.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· Portfolio.com (part of Conde Net) received <strong>over half a million referral visits from a Yahoo.com “Buzzing Now” link.</strong></em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· HuffingtonPost received over 800,000 unique visitors from Yahoo.com in one day.</em></p>
<p>To other fans of social media, however, the *real* interesting metric wasn&#8217;t just the raw levels of hot unadulterated traffic, but also the <strong>level of the *engagement* of such traffic</strong>.  After all, its been argued (by me) that without engagement, social technologies that push traffic are somewhat questionable in their legitimacy *as* a &#8220;social&#8221; tool (cough, cough <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/1032494/in_car_entertainment_steps_up_a_gear_with_wi_fi_internet_access" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">MIXX HAS AN ANEMIC NUMBER OF COMMENTS </a>cough, cough).</p>
<p>To wit, Om says that not only did they get 200,000 additional page views, but that they got over 300 extra comments (!)  This is completely inline with TechCrunch&#8217;s experience when they got Buzzed earlier in the year, when they got over <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/japanese-isps-to-ban-file-sharers/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">1000 comments on the slowest day of the week</a>, and an <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/16/yahoo-buzz-yahoo-reveals-stats-from-the-first-two-weeks/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">almost crippling level of traffic</a> (luckily MediaTemple was girded real strong).</p>
<p><strong>So is is Yahoo Buzz&#8217;s strength a new story?</strong>  Not really.  But I think its an important one to remember in the social news drama, and particularly every time we think / hear about Digg getting acquired.  By some numbers, for example, <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/05/13/yahoo-buzz-is-bigger-than-digg-according-to-comscore/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/mashable.com');" target="_blank">Yahoo&#8217;s Buzz eclipsed Digg *months* ago in terms of raw traffic it gets.</a></p>
<p>Perhaps the reason why it never gets as much &#8220;buzz&#8221; as Digg got is because &#8212; as far as I can tell &#8212; not just anyone can be included in Yahoo Buzz.  You might get a chance to vote or Buzz up a story &#8230; but unlike Digg, or Reddit, or Delicious, or StumbleUpon, <strong>users *don&#8217;t* get a chance to submit stories</strong> &#8212; i.e. submit their *own* blogs.</p>
<p>My understanding is that this may change this summer, <a href="http://valleywag.com/357006/screenshots-of-yahoo-buzz-a-digg-competitor" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/valleywag.com');" target="_blank">as people who purchase ads with Yahoo <strong>might get a chance to get their stories Buzz&#8217;d.  </strong></a></p>
<p>And if *THAT* gets to happen, you start wondering a) why kind of rush there&#8217;ll be to start using Yahoo&#8217;s ad service b) if Google would ever consider that for Google Adwords c) if that would dilute Yahoo Buzz&#8217;s appeal (or increase it) and d) what implications, if any, it would have for other social news sites.</p>
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		<title>Have We Reached The Pinnacle Of Social News?</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/02/22/have-we-reached-the-pinnacle-of-social-news/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I loves my news aggregators, and I loves my social news sites. You may have also heard of a new breed of such sites, which aggregate shared bookmarks via Google Reader (and more), such as readburner, linkriver, and rssmeme. (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/02/22/have-we-reached-the-pinnacle-of-social-news/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
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<p>So I loves my news aggregators, and I loves my social news sites.  You may have also heard of a new breed of such sites, which aggregate shared bookmarks via Google Reader (and more), such as <a href="http://www.readburner.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.readburner.com');" target="_blank">readburner</a>, <a href="http://www.linkriver.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.linkriver.com');" target="_blank">linkriver</a>, and <a href="http://www.rssmeme.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.rssmeme.com');" target="_blank">rssmeme</a>.</p>
<p>Anywhoo, I was about to wax poetic about how useful these new services are, when, upon closer examination, I realized that much of the stuff that was bookmarked and shared <strong>was quite similar &#8230; even the same, r</strong><strong>eally.</strong></p>
<p>Oh, sure.  Smaller stories are different.  Each community has its own idiosyncracies.  But the big (and even medium sized) stories?  <strong>All the same. </strong></p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m battling what seems like an evolving cold, so I&#8217;m not going to do any heavy lifting with respect to numbers, charts, graphs, and all manner of social geekery (but if you feel so inclined, please do so and then let me know) &#8212; but its just an observation.</p>
<p>I wonder, as all the field of social information-aggregating services mature, particularly in areas where this kind of thing started (tech / geek interests), if what we&#8217;re seeing in late 2007 and well into 2008 is the evolution and commodification of popular content.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that the information or content itself is a commodity, specifically, <strong>but that the sites themselves might begin to be. </strong></p>
<p>Or, put another way, the stuff that is popular, and that is shared, gets shared so quickly between the various and sundry sites, it doesn&#8217;t really matter which site you go to.  Unless your level of geekdom is extreme, and it matters to you how quickly you see stuff (in the order of minutes or hours), for the lay-geek &#8212; you know, who has a job, who goes to work, who has a family, and who can&#8217;t monitor this stuff as obsessively as they would like &#8212; <strong>I don&#8217;t think it *really* matters.</strong></p>
<p>If I&#8217;m looking for old-ish kind of news (like 12-24h old &#8212; man, I can&#8217;t believe I just called news that was 12h old &#8220;old&#8221;), I can look to Blogrunner, Techmeme, Digg, Propeller, and one of those shared-bookmarking sites above, and you can bet the big stories will all be up there.</p>
<p><strong>The implications?</strong></p>
<p>That its tough for new sites to break into this ecosystem of shared / social news, as there is already a huge contingent of players looking for news (social news sites), or automated bots which are similarly crawling for said news (news aggregators), or scripts that are looking for people to share such information (social / shared bookmarking tools) &#8212; all of which, when they find something newsworthy, is thrown up on all of these sites in a variety of ways, overlapping each other within minutes or hours of each other.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly what the future holds for Social News, but on a cold blustery Friday evening, I&#8217;m wondering if we&#8217;re at a stage where we&#8217;ve hit a bit of a wall, with few services really providing a breakthrough in this experience.</p>
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		<title>Propeller A Good Second Fiddle To Digg?</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/25/propeller-a-good-second-fiddle-to-digg/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allen Stern at CenterNetworks queries how good Propeller (previously &#8220;Netscape.com&#8221;) is and will be, and crunches some publicly available traffic data to suggest, perhaps, in time it will be a legitimate #2 to Digg as the social news king. I (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/25/propeller-a-good-second-fiddle-to-digg/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen Stern at CenterNetworks queries <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/propeller-social-news-update" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.centernetworks.com');" target="_blank">how good Propeller (previously &#8220;Netscape.com&#8221;) is and will be</a>, and crunches some publicly available traffic data to suggest, perhaps, in time it will be a legitimate #2 to Digg as the social news king.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I don&#8217;t follow Digg and its <strike>clones</strike> other social news brethren all that closely; neither do I know if Propeller has anything in particular &#8220;cooking&#8221;, as it were behind the scenes.</p>
<p>However, what I think _is_ clear to me is that <strong>Propeller needs to continue growing. </strong> Depending on the graph you look at, they&#8217;re either plateauing or growing; I&#8217;d like to think that they&#8217;re doing a little of the latter.</p>
<p>However, they need to continue doing this in spades if they are going to play &#8220;second fiddle&#8221; to *anyone* (keeping in mind that Propeller is probably trying to be the best Propeller it can be ;) &#8212; and that means, not just resting on the strength of its community, or the strength of its anchors, or propeller-heads, or what have you.</p>
<p>Its clear that to grow, they&#8217;ll need to pull out some strategic and tactical marketing maneuvers to continue to win over new and older fans of social news, whether it means contests, free swag, off-line advertising, or joint ventures with AOL&#8217;s partners  or cross-marketing across the variety of AOL properties.</p>
<p>I mean, in some ways, Propeller is excellently positioned for the latter of those two options given how deep AOL&#8217;s roots *do* go.</p>
<p>I suppose the question is if in 2008 we&#8217;ll continue to think of Propeller as a &#8220;formerly of Netscape&#8221; and &#8220;that place where people are paid to moderate&#8221;, or if it will, in the immortal words of Paula Abdul, take that piece and &#8220;really make it your own!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Netscape&#8217;s Traffic Takes A Dive After It Splits Off Social News Into Propeller?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[About a month ago, I wrote about how Netscape dumped its social news component into its own site, Propeller.com and wondered rhetorically how it would turn out &#8212; with the subtext being, perhaps, how *Netscape* would really fare now that (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/10/11/netscapes-traffic-takes-a-dive-after-it-splits-off-social-news-into-propeller/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a month ago, I wrote about how <a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/09/19/propeller-propels-itself-out-of-the-harbour-i-guess/"  target="_blank">Netscape dumped its social news component into its own site, Propeller.com</a> and wondered rhetorically how it would turn out &#8212; with the subtext being, perhaps, how *Netscape* would really fare now that its social news component was on its own.</p>
<p>Well, a month has come and gone, and I think that if <a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=netscape.com&amp;site1=propeller.com&amp;y=r&amp;z=3&amp;h=300&amp;w=610&amp;range=3m&amp;size=Medium&amp;url=netscape.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.alexa.com');" target="_blank">Alexa is any indication</a> (and yes, it certainly has its problems), the answer might be &#8220;substantial&#8221;.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/alexa3.png" alt="Netscape’s Traffic Dives" /></p>
<p>Now, granted, the people who use Alexa are probably the same folks who have Alexa tool bars installed on their browsers; also, the people who like the traditional 1999-style traditional site that is up on Netscape are folks who probably *don&#8217;t*.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think it does provide a good idea, all other things being equal, of what kind of percentage of people who *are* social news buffs out of the &#8220;old&#8221; Netscape site &#8230; who are now, of course, propeller-fans/heads/geeks.</p>
<p>But it certainly does give a picture that the move to break off the social news site into its own URL was probably *good* for Propeller, it certainly looks like it wasn&#8217;t a good move for Netscape &#8212; at least amongst folks who like to install Alexa toolbars.</p>
<p>And at least it validates <a href="www.calacanis.com" target="_blank">Jason Calacanis</a> &#8212; and indeed all the hard work Netscape <a href="http://muhammadsaleem.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/muhammadsaleem.com');" target="_blank">folks</a> <a href="http://www.ryanbudke.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.ryanbudke.com');" target="_blank">have</a> <a href="http://neothoughts.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/neothoughts.com');" target="_blank">done</a> <a href="http://www.digidave.org/adventures_in_freelancing/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.digidave.org');" target="_blank">over</a> the past year or so to cultivate a community in Digg&#8217;s shadow &#8212; that so many of the people at Netscape were genuine fans *of* social news.</p>
<p>As a footnote, if, all things are equal, what&#8217;s kind of interesting is that the traffic for *both* sites are also trending downward over the past month.  Now, this may be evidence of a more general &#8220;<a href="http://weblogs.hitwise.com/leeann-prescott/2006/11/social_networking_sites_recove.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/weblogs.hitwise.com');" target="_blank">September dip</a>&#8221; that many sites are experiencing as folks head back to school.  If anyone questions this,<a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/10/10/facebook-users-dip-could-this-be-true/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/gigaom.com');" target="_blank"> just ask Facebook</a>, as I do believe this is a genuine phenomenon, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/theres-more-to-the-facebook-traffic-story/#comment-1670407" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">and not, for example, &#8220;stupid&#8221;</a>. :)</p>
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		<title>* Propeller An Apt Name &#8212; Its Time To Sink Or Swim, Lads</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/09/13/propeller-an-apt-name-its-time-to-sink-or-swim-lads/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, its a few days late, but a few last thoughts about Netscape is moving its &#8216;social&#8217; component to Propeller.com, namely that I &#8220;dig&#8221; the new name (sorry, I couldn&#8217;t help myself), I think its a good idea that its (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/09/13/propeller-an-apt-name-its-time-to-sink-or-swim-lads/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, its a few days late, but a few last thoughts about <a href="http://blog.netscape.com/2007/09/11/social-news-update" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/blog.netscape.com');" target="_blank">Netscape is moving its &#8216;social&#8217; component to Propeller.com</a>, namely that I &#8220;dig&#8221; the new name (sorry, I couldn&#8217;t help myself), I think its a good idea that its getting its own domain name, and now, its time for it to actually sink or swim on its own merits.  It doesn&#8217;t get any extra advantage of type-in traffic thanks to the ancient netscape.com name that continues to exist to the dozens of people that still use the netscape browser, and links to from the aol.com home page (that a few more people use).   And after the move is competed and people have gotten used to the new coat of paint, where will it finally rank amongst the reddits, del.icio.us&#8217;s, and Digg&#8217;s of the world?  I think it will largely depend on how Propeller innovates itself and markets itself amongst early adopters, as it continues to shed its heritage as YADC (yet-another-digg-clone).</p>
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