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		<title>Yahoo Keeps An Eye On Bottom Line, While Google Goes Robotic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wondered how Google will directly benefit from the OpenSocial API a few days ago, particularly as more bloggers believe it to be a whole lot of hot air, and now it looks like Yahoo is answering. That is, on (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/08/yahoo-keeps-an-eye-on-bottom-line-while-google-goes-robotic/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/06/anyone-wondering-whats-in-it-for-google-yet/"  target="_blank">I wondered how Google will directly benefit</a> from the OpenSocial API a few days ago, particularly as more bloggers believe it to be a <a href="http://www.beskerming.com/commentary/2007/11/06/299/AntiSocial_Responses_to_OpenSocial" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.beskerming.com');" target="_blank">whole lot of hot air</a>, and now it looks like <strong>Yahoo </strong>is answering.</p>
<p>That is, on a day that <a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:YHOO" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/finance.google.com');" target="_blank">its stock is tanking</a> {down 7%} perhaps because of how Jerry Yang is in the unenviable position of defending his company in Congress for<a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_7392987" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mercurynews.com');" target="_blank"> a thing that happened years before he assumed the CEO-ship</a>, Yahoo is securing mobile advertising deals.</p>
<p>Now, call me a crude simpleton but it looks like these kinds of maneuverings are *exactly* what will pad Yahoo&#8217;s bottom line.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN0740726020071107" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.reuters.com');" target="_blank">Reuters has the low-down</a> which involves Yahoo&#8217;s mobile chief racing to get Yahoo&#8217;s ads in front of hundreds of millions of mobile customers before Google&#8217;s android ever sees the light of day &#8212; which is scheduled to be the latter half of 2008, practically an eternity in geek-years.</p>
<p>In fact the breadth of these deals seem to be pretty &#8230; well, global.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>  Yahoo already has deals to feature a package of services  like search, e-mail and mapping on limited handsets from major  phone makers, including <strong><span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 50%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_4">Nokia</span>, <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 50%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_5">Motorola</span>, Samsung Electronics,  LG Electronics and HTC &#8212; every top name except Sony Ericsson.</strong></em></p>
<p><em>  Carrier partners include <strong>Vodafone </strong>in Britain and Hutchison  <strong>Whampoa</strong>&#8216;s 3 across <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; cursor: pointer" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_6">Europe</span>, and a recent far-reaching deal Web  search and advertising deal with <strong><span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; cursor: pointer" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_7">Spain</span>&#8216;s Telefonica</strong> that covers  100 million users in several European countries and much of the  Latin American region.</em></p>
<p><em>  Yahoo has also signed advertising deals with <strong>six operators  across Southeast Asia and <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; cursor: pointer" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_8">India</span></strong>. North Asia is next.</em></p>
<p><em>  It has been in talks with operators in <strong><span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 50%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_9">Taiwan</span>, <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 50%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_10">South Korea</span>,  <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 50%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_11">Hong Kong</span> and <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; cursor: pointer" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1194485196_12">Malaysia</span> -</strong>- markets that boast some of the  highest mobile penetration rates &#8212; for new service tie-ups,  President Susan Decker said on a tour of Asia last month.</em></p>
<p>[emphasis mine]</p></blockquote>
<p>Furthermore, there&#8217;s<strong> nothing to stop Yahoo from using the Android platform</strong> to help deploy its ads and &#8216;mobilize&#8217; these ad deals that were made <strong>18 months before Android ever ships out.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em>   &#8220;If &#8216;Android&#8217; is truly open source, we can take everything  out there,&#8221; Boerries said of the outside possibility Yahoo  might use Google phone software and run Yahoo services over the  devices. &#8220;Nothing prevents me from taking it,&#8221; he said. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Deliciously Machiavellian, and simple too.  Google pwns my life as much as the next geek, but I also have a soft spot for the underdog, which Yahoo! clearly is.  In this case, and in this instance (not like how Yahoo folded like a cheap suit for the Chinese government), they&#8217;ll get my vote FTW.</p>
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		<title>Would An OpenSocial API &#8220;Matter&#8221; If Everyone Who Mattered Was On Facebook?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Don Dodge]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Eric Schonfeld]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a theoretical question to lob at you before the weekend: in all the clamour around an OpenSocial API, and how the blogosphere is polarizing it (hyping it) to be a Facebook vs. Google and Superfriends cage-match, when would an (&#8230;)</p><p><a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/02/would-an-opensocial-api-matter-if-everyone-who-mattered-was-on-facebook/">Read the rest of this entry &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/shoulder_shrug.jpg" alt="Will Average Facebookers Care About OpenSocial API’s?" /></p>
<p>Just a theoretical question to lob at you before the weekend: in all the clamour around an OpenSocial API, and how the blogosphere is polarizing it (hyping it) to be a Facebook vs. Google and Superfriends cage-match, when would an OpenSocial API *not* matter?</p>
<p><strong>How about if everyone who &#8220;mattered&#8221; was already on Facebook</strong>, and was experiencing enough lock-down that they didn&#8217;t want to move social networks, and simply don&#8217;t care about the amazing cross-social applications that are developed across MySpace, Friendster, Oracle, Salesforce, and so on &#8212; because they simply don&#8217;t have friends or identities across such networks &#8230; yes, for the sake of such an example, let&#8217;s say that they either didn&#8217;t use, or didn&#8217;t care about the data and information stored through their email accounts either.</p>
<p>Now, to be sure that&#8217;s an extreme example of things, but I only use it to illustrate that voices like <a href="http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2007/11/50m-facebook-us.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/dondodge.typepad.com');" target="_blank">Don Dodge</a> and <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/01/facebook-your-move/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">Eric Schonfeld</a> are worth listening to: the movement towards an open set of standards so social networks can communicate is a good thing &#8230; <strong>BUT &#8212; let&#8217;s not sell the power of network effects short.  </strong></p>
<p>In a very real, material sense, <strong>many people won&#8217;t notice or care </strong>&#8230; even if they&#8217;re told about the OpenSocial API explicitly.  And that&#8217;s because for many &#8220;average&#8221; Facebookers,  {and I tend to think about the kind of non-tech people at work, say, in hospital, who all love Facebook} <strong>many of their friends are not on any other networks.  </strong>Many of them might have identities, or might use other networks peripherally, but to many of them there is only one which &#8220;matters&#8221; (with all due respect to <a href="http://www.sixapart.com/about/news/2007/11/opensocial_kill.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.sixapart.com');" target="_blank">Anil Dash and his colorful examples</a> of friends and family using Vox, Livejournal, Typepad, and Photobucket) &#8212; because its a (recursive) function of where they spend their time, because its where their friends spend their time.</p>
<p>Facebook might have an advantage to abandoning their own standards for the OpenSocial API, but I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re in any position where they might need to be &#8220;forced&#8221; to; put it more bluntly, I don&#8217;t think that the failure to adopt an OpenSocial API will result in a loss of growth, due to, for example, people wanting to use new applications that aren&#8217;t able to reach into Facebook&#8217;s closed garden.</p>
<p>Rather, <strong>I expect many people to continue to have blank looks and shrug</strong> if I even put &#8220;OpenSocial API&#8221; and &#8220;Facebook&#8221; into the same sentence.</p>
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