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		<title>What Drives More Traffic Than Getting Digged, Reddited, Delicious&#8217;d, or StumbledUpon?</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/07/16/what-drives-more-traffic-than-getting-digged-reddited-deliciousd-or-stumbledupon/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the &#8220;oh yeah &#8212; its that important&#8221; department&#8221;, Om &#8220;GigaOm&#8221; Malik reports how beneficial being &#8220;buzzed&#8221; has been for GigaOm.com.  And of course he&#8217;s referring to Yahoo Buzz, which is a social news type of site that was launched some months ago.  Its funny how some news gets lost in the wake of other [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8220;oh yeah &#8212; its that important&#8221; department&#8221;, <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/07/16/what-getting-buzzed-says-about-yahoo/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/gigaom.com');" target="_blank">Om &#8220;GigaOm&#8221; Malik reports</a> how beneficial being &#8220;buzzed&#8221; has been for GigaOm.com.  And of course he&#8217;s referring to Yahoo Buzz, which is a social news type of site that was launched some months ago.  Its funny how some news gets lost in the wake of other tech &#8220;buzz&#8221; (cough, cough FRIENDFEED cough, cough), but Om&#8217;s numbers seem to validate the giant deluge in traffic that other sites have noticed.</p>
<p>In fact, in March, Richard MacManus detailed the kind o<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/yahoo_buzz_is_a_game_changer.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.readwriteweb.com');" target="_blank">f traffic-licious bounty that many &#8220;mainstream&#8221; blogs were enjoying thanks to getting Buzzed</a>. </p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>*  Salon.com reached over <strong>1 million uniques in one day</strong> for the first time in the company&#8217;s 12-year history, after Yahoo.com linked to one of their highly &#8220;buzzed&#8221; stories (they issued </em><a href="http://sev.prnewswire.com/publishing-information-services/20080310/NYM02910032008-1.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/sev.prnewswire.com');"><em>this press release</em></a><em>)</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· US Magazine: In part due to a Yahoo.com link, February 27th was the second highest day in overall Usmagazine.com traffic since its launch in June 2006. Referral visits from the Yahoo! homepage accounted for 32% of total visits that day.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· When Yahoo.com linked to one of their stories, The Smoking Gun received approximately<strong> 1 million additional page views over their average traffic, </strong>with over 275,000 visitors coming from the Yahoo! homepage.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· Portfolio.com (part of Conde Net) received <strong>over half a million referral visits from a Yahoo.com “Buzzing Now” link.</strong></em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>· HuffingtonPost received over 800,000 unique visitors from Yahoo.com in one day.</em></p>
<p>To other fans of social media, however, the *real* interesting metric wasn&#8217;t just the raw levels of hot unadulterated traffic, but also the <strong>level of the *engagement* of such traffic</strong>.  After all, its been argued (by me) that without engagement, social technologies that push traffic are somewhat questionable in their legitimacy *as* a &#8220;social&#8221; tool (cough, cough <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/1032494/in_car_entertainment_steps_up_a_gear_with_wi_fi_internet_access" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">MIXX HAS AN ANEMIC NUMBER OF COMMENTS </a>cough, cough).</p>
<p>To wit, Om says that not only did they get 200,000 additional page views, but that they got over 300 extra comments (!)  This is completely inline with TechCrunch&#8217;s experience when they got Buzzed earlier in the year, when they got over <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/japanese-isps-to-ban-file-sharers/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">1000 comments on the slowest day of the week</a>, and an <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/16/yahoo-buzz-yahoo-reveals-stats-from-the-first-two-weeks/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">almost crippling level of traffic</a> (luckily MediaTemple was girded real strong).</p>
<p><strong>So is is Yahoo Buzz&#8217;s strength a new story?</strong>  Not really.  But I think its an important one to remember in the social news drama, and particularly every time we think / hear about Digg getting acquired.  By some numbers, for example, <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/05/13/yahoo-buzz-is-bigger-than-digg-according-to-comscore/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/mashable.com');" target="_blank">Yahoo&#8217;s Buzz eclipsed Digg *months* ago in terms of raw traffic it gets.</a></p>
<p>Perhaps the reason why it never gets as much &#8220;buzz&#8221; as Digg got is because &#8212; as far as I can tell &#8212; not just anyone can be included in Yahoo Buzz.  You might get a chance to vote or Buzz up a story &#8230; but unlike Digg, or Reddit, or Delicious, or StumbleUpon, <strong>users *don&#8217;t* get a chance to submit stories</strong> &#8212; i.e. submit their *own* blogs.</p>
<p>My understanding is that this may change this summer, <a href="http://valleywag.com/357006/screenshots-of-yahoo-buzz-a-digg-competitor" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/valleywag.com');" target="_blank">as people who purchase ads with Yahoo <strong>might get a chance to get their stories Buzz&#8217;d.  </strong></a></p>
<p>And if *THAT* gets to happen, you start wondering a) why kind of rush there&#8217;ll be to start using Yahoo&#8217;s ad service b) if Google would ever consider that for Google Adwords c) if that would dilute Yahoo Buzz&#8217;s appeal (or increase it) and d) what implications, if any, it would have for other social news sites.</p>
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		<title>Newsflash! Digg FrontPage Still Dominated By Small Group of Diggers!</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/07/06/newsflash-digg-frontpage-still-dominated-by-small-group-of-diggers/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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There are a few (tech) blogging topics that are eternal.  Comments vs. no comment.  A-listers vs. non-A-listers.  Techmeme sucks vs. Techmeme is still teh hot.  Also, for those in social media: Digg is pwned by a small number of diggers.
Yes, in a bit of unverified research that would have fit in the tech scene [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>There are a few (tech) blogging topics that are eternal. </strong> Comments vs. no comment.  A-listers vs. non-A-listers.  <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2008/07/06/the-participation-premium/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/scobleizer.com');" target="_blank">Techmeme sucks</a> vs. Techmeme is still teh hot.  Also, for those in social media: Digg is pwned by a small number of diggers.</p>
<p>Yes, in a bit of unverified research <a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2006/09/13/kevin-rose-aspiring-for-equality-amongst-diggers-everywhere-except-on-digg/"  target="_blank">that would have fit in the tech scene in <strong>2006</strong></a>, popFail has &#8220;dugg up&#8221; (sorry, couldn&#8217;t help myself) some data that confirms what Digg management has furiously tried to avoid over several iterations &#8212; that a<a href="http://popfail.com/technology/recommended-flaw-31-of-digg-homepage-submitted-by-10-users/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/popfail.com');" target="_blank"> few individuals pretty much own the front page of Digg</a> (specifically, 10 users have submitted over 30% of front page views).</p>
<p>In Digg&#8217;s own defence, those that make up that top 10 are quite different than what I remember in the past, so perhaps its efforts at &#8220;democratizing&#8221; digg has had some effect (although perhaps not in the way it was originally intended).</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;m not sure if this &#8220;problem&#8221; will ever really be solved, a<strong>s there will clearly *always* be a hierarchy of activity on social media sites,</strong> and there will, for any given activity, and there will likely be some kind of unequal power / logarithmic distribution of said activity.</p>
<p>That is, folks at the top are probably *WAY* at the top in terms of activity, &#8220;friends&#8221;, or whatever metric you&#8217;d like to choose.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, there might be algorithmic ways to change smaller details around it, but if this is indeed the nature of the beast, then there will *always* be diggers (or reditters, or mixxers, or propellers) that are more active than others, and always at the top of any &#8220;list&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Review: DropBox &#8212; An Awesomely Simple And Elegant Online Storage Solution</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/03/11/review-dropbox-an-awesomely-simple-and-elegant-online-storage-solution/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, this is a quick review, mostly because DropBox is getting Digged, TechCrunched and Redditted all at the same time &#8212; and I&#8217;m finally allowed to blog about it, as they&#8217;ve dropped their request they bloggers not do so.  I&#8217;ve been in the private beta for almost two months now, and DropBox is pretty [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this is a quick review, mostly because <a href="http://www.getdropbox.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.getdropbox.com');" target="_blank">DropBox</a> is getting <a href="http://digg.com/software/Google_Drive_killer_coming_from_MIT_Startup" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/digg.com');" target="_blank">Digged</a>, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/dropbox-the-online-storage-solution-weve-been-waiting-for/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">TechCrunched</a> and <a href="http://reddit.com/info/6boh3/comments/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/reddit.com');" target="_blank">Redditted</a> all at the same time &#8212; and I&#8217;m finally allowed to blog about it, as they&#8217;ve dropped their request they bloggers not do so.  I&#8217;ve been in the private beta for almost two months now, and DropBox is pretty much as hyped: it is an awesome remote online &#8220;drive&#8221; solution.</p>
<p>While its features are not tremendously unique &#8212; you get gigabytes of storage, you can install a little program on your computer which auto-syncs so that a special folder &#8220;auto-syncs&#8221; with getdropbox, you can &#8220;share&#8221; different folders and files in a fairly granular fashion, and so on.</p>
<p>Rather, what really works for me is how simple and elegant it is.</p>
<p>{<em>actually there is two other features that are also pretty nifty: how it keeps different versions of files every time they are changed</em>, <em>and its auto-gallery feature</em>}</p>
<p>There are, in fact, many online solutions, but what sticks out about DropBox is that its interface is very clean, very fresh, very simple, and very fast.  Unlike its competitors, the online interface isn&#8217;t trying to mimic your desktop, and as such, isn&#8217;t full of fancy AJAX (or Flash) tricks.  It has a very simple interface, and its a joy to use.</p>
<p>This latter fact is important to me, because &#8212; and perhaps you&#8217;re like me &#8212; you bring data between computers of varying ages and processing speeds.  AJAX and Flash are fine when you&#8217;ve got a relatively &#8220;new &#8220;machine, but in the places that I work (hospital), I&#8217;m often faced with old machines, or machines that have miniscule amounts of RAM, or computers that are just plain slow.  Using other online storage solutions make no sense in this environment because they&#8217;re slow and cumbersome to use.</p>
<p>But this is where DropBox sails, as it requires very little of the host machine to work &#8230; which is just as it should be.</p>
<p>On the other hand, its not a perfect product by far.  One thing about DropBox that needs work, for example, is the downloading interface.  There is no easy way to download more than one file (if you&#8217;re at a remote machine and don&#8217;t want to install the remote &#8220;drive&#8221; on it), and obviously this is an important feature if DropBox is meant to be more than an archiving tool (which presupposes that you won&#8217;t be downloading much).</p>
<p>This feature can&#8217;t be all that difficult to implement, so I anticipate that its one of those things these guys are working on.</p>
<p><strong>Bottom line: </strong>DropBox is pretty awesome and given its simple interface, very usable even in fairly primitive computing environments.  I&#8217;ve been using it almost daily in the past two months, and its one of those services that goes above and beyond any superlatives that I&#8217;m going to use &#8212; and that you really just going to have to try for yourself.</p>
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		<title>* Will Diggers Leave If Digg Is Acquired By Microsoft?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230; and what about Google?  I think there&#8217;s one intangible that not enough people are yammering about with respect to new rumours that Digg maybe bought out &#8212; and that is, what happens to the community?  These are either geeks are geek wannabe&#8217;s that make up the Community at large (large &#8220;c&#8221;), irrespective of how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and what about Google?  I think there&#8217;s one intangible that not enough people are yammering about with respect to <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/07/google-microsoft-bidding-for-digg/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.techcrunch.com');" target="_blank">new rumours that Digg maybe bought out</a> &#8212; and that is, what happens to the community?  These are either geeks are geek wannabe&#8217;s that make up the Community at large (large &#8220;c&#8221;), irrespective of how active they&#8217;re engaged <strong>with </strong>the community.  I think a large part of what makes Digg attractive is not only its content, but its Brand &#8212; its independent, laissez-faire, pro-Geek, Linux/Apple-loving streak that is rooted in its founder, Kevin Rose.  If he goes, and its sold to Microsoft, will Digg lose its cred?  Peering at the comments over at Digg, <a href="http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_Microsoft_Bidding_For_Digg" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/digg.com');" target="_blank">one wonders if that might be the case.</a>  If that perception happens (and that&#8217;s all that matters: perception), what will happen to Digg thereafter?  Could being acquired by Microsoft be the thing that does Digg in?  Well, I guess we&#8217;ll all find out soon enough (if these new rumours are to be believed).  Interesting question &#8212; would the community act as strongly if Google acquired it?</p>
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		<title>For The Love Of Digg, We Have To Save Chris Avenir!</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/03/07/for-the-love-of-digg-we-have-to-save-chris-avenir/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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Ok, so it need not be Digg, but really, all of the online social communities need to rally behind this poor guy, Chris Avenir, who is at a local Toronto university.  The poor guy is facing expulsion and has already gotten a B grade turned into a failing grade in a first year chemistry [...]]]></description>
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<p>Ok, so it need not be Digg, but really, all of the online social communities need to rally behind this poor guy, Chris Avenir, who is at a local Toronto university. <a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/309855" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.thestar.com');" target="_blank"> The poor guy is facing expulsion and has already gotten a B grade turned into a failing grade</a> in a first year chemistry course.  Why?  Because he administers a local Facebook group on some homework topics.  Flabbergasted?  I was.  Turns out that said Toronto university, Ryerson, has a very liberal academic misconduct policy, which describes such as &#8220;any deliberate activity to gain academic advantage, including actions that have a negative effect on the integrity of the learning environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, as Michael Geist says, <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2738/125/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.michaelgeist.ca');" target="_blank">sharing answers or plagiarizing is an obvious academic offence</a>.  But virtual study groups?</p>
<p>Come on!</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s review the major criteria for creating a movement to help a brother out on Digg.</p>
<ul>
<li>Dude is a geek* &#8230; check!</li>
<li>Involves web 2.0 / social media / Linux / Gaming / Apple / technology / Facebook &#8230; check!</li>
<li>Dude is wrongfully targeted because he is a geek and is using one of the above &#8230; check!</li>
<li>Dude facing tragic / legal / funny / sad consequences of his actions &#8230; check!</li>
</ul>
<p>Mr. Avenir clearly meets all of the major criteria to get some tech support / love (but not all minor criteria, which might also include, but is not limited to, posting for your favourite Democratic nominee, sending up some hilarious pictures referencing your 733tness / geek cred, and  composing a top 10 list of Terribly Obvious Things).</p>
<p>Seriously &#8212; this issue needs to explode across the blogosphere, and folks like Corey Doctorow (of BoingBoing) &#8212; who is also a local Torontonian &#8212; need to step in, particularly if the worst does happen ( he gets expelled?!).  The story, as its been reported, is an absolute anachronistic disaster, and I think Ryerson needs to step up and explain how things have gotten as far as it has, and reassure the city, its students, and the world at large (if their reputation means much), that it isn&#8217;t out of step with Progress and how important these new Teh Internets are.</p>
<p><strong><u>Update:</u></strong> The Facebook group that Chris Avenir was a part of <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=479100&amp;cid=22673520" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/yro.slashdot.org');" target="_blank">may have had a description that suggested that people were merely copying answers</a>, and this was the thrust behind all of the drama above.  I think that it raises the larger issue of how legitimate it is to having &#8220;homework&#8221; or &#8220;assignments&#8221; to be done which &#8220;count&#8221;, and whose answers are easily copied, in this day and age.  As I wrote over at Mat Ingram&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/07/ryerson-fails-not-facebook-student/?disqus_reply=208445#comment-208445" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mathewingram.com');" target="_blank">all this does is drive those seeking to trade in answers in the social &#8220;underground&#8221;</a>, or via private online groups, and you&#8217;ll never find them.  Answers to old tests and exams are a part of university life, and academia has to rise to the challenge of this reality in 2008.  Hammering students into apparent submission, because they&#8217;re using existing tools to propagate a very old practice hardly seems fair, insightful, or forward-looking <em>  </em></p>
<p><em>* not yet indepedently verified<br />
** photo courtesy of <a href="http://www.superprom.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.superprom.com');" target="_blank">SuperProm</a></em></p>
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		<title>Digg Town Hall: Spam Catching, Exit Strategies, Focus Groups, And Pimping (Digg&#8217;s Features)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Digg Town Hall]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I had a chance to listen in on the Digg Town Hall today, which wasn&#8217;t quite the format I was expecting, as they fielded 20 questions that were sent to them (ordered by Diggs, naturally), rather than answer live question from the (virtual floor).
Nevertheless, what I got out of it was a few things:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I had a chance to listen in on the Digg Town Hall today, which wasn&#8217;t quite the format I was expecting, as they fielded 20 questions that were sent to them (ordered by Diggs, naturally), rather than answer live question from the (virtual floor).</p>
<p>Nevertheless, what I got out of it was a few things:</p>
<p><strong>1. Catching spam is a big priority:</strong> Digg is putting a lot of cash and resources into hiring people who can find algorithmic ways to tackle this stuff.  And Kevin and Jay are keenly aware that the integrity of their site hinges on being able to catch spam &#8212; so much so that they self-censored themselves when trying to describe exactly how Digg promotes stuff, because they don&#8217;t want spammers using that information against Digg.  One of the more interesting stories I heard was how one blog would pay a top Digger to submit stories &#8212; often good stories, quality stuff &#8212; have it promoted to the front page, and then weeks later, have that URL re-direct to another URL (or another page), thereby increasing traffic to that other page.  Pretty crafty / black-hat stuff!  Anyway, that&#8217;s just one example of the stuff they&#8217;re trying to fight off.  Another one that they described was one enterprising guy hiring dozens (hundreds?) of people in eastern Europe (Romania?), and they caught the spamming as they were all from the same region (caught by IP address) which looked pretty suspicious.</p>
<p><strong>2. They will never disclose their exit strategy: </strong>People ask them &#8220;all the time&#8221; whether Digg is going to get sold.  They never talk about it, and probably never will talk about it.  Rather, they want to invest their time into improving features with the site, such as the comments section and searching, and duplicate checking, which they readily admit, is something that they&#8217;re trying to fix.</p>
<p><strong>3. Their emphasis is on improving Digg&#8217;s features &#8212; not its customer support: </strong>Ok, that&#8217;s not entirely true, because one of the things that&#8217;s coming in the pipeline (or so we&#8217;re told) is a forum of some kind for people to ask questions and have their questions answered; apparently there&#8217;s going to be two broad categories &#8230; one for general user type questions, and another for technical questions (how to get the Digg badge to work, and so on).  What I actually mean is that there are a small but vocal (and important) group of Digg users, some of whom are considered the Digg elite (top Diggers, etc etc), who are pining for a way to get their emails answered in a personal, timely manner, about questions that probably have nothing to do with not understanding the FAQ.  Questions around why people were banned, how they can get re-instated, blacklisting of URLs and the rationale for why that might be happening.  These are all legitimate concerns, but it seems like Digg&#8217;s big focus is on features, and in spite of Jay&#8217;s reassurances (&#8221;we don&#8217;t just ban anyone; there&#8217;s a back and forth &#8230; a dialogue, before someone gets banned&#8221; for example), unconfirmed reports suggest that for many Diggers, that just hasn&#8217;t been their experience.</p>
<p><strong>Other miscellania that I remember:<br />
</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>There is no auto-bury function,</strong> rather just a sophisticated algorithm for judging which stories get promoted</li>
<li>there is probably *as* a sophisticated function for burying just as their is for promoting</li>
<li><strong> &#8220;diversity&#8221; of people digging clearly has some importance</strong> (and weights each Digg differently, is what I got out of it).  What diversity means exactly, they didn&#8217;t want to reveal.</li>
<li>Kevin gets together with the <strong>guy from Delicious</strong>, and the <strong>other guy from Reddit</strong> (don&#8217;t know their names) to regularly commiserate over the never-ending battle between spammers, trying to game these social sites, and the kind of solutions they have to come up with to detect it, and then end it.</li>
<li>There is <strong>only one guy &#8220;moderating&#8221;</strong> at any one time</li>
<li>They don&#8217;t like to call him a moderator (they used another name, like &#8220;sys admin&#8221;, or something)</li>
<li><strong>They rely quite heavily on focus groups</strong> to help them decide which features suck, which ones they introduce, and to test new features.  There is a way to get into these groups, but by that time, either my own connection conked out, or they merely decided to pull the plug on the presentation.</li>
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<p><strong>The bottom line</strong> that I got out of it was they gave the appearance that they were trying to make Digg better &#8212; and that it takes time, and that they actually get most of the feedback that comes to them, positive and no.</p>
<p>Lastly, for the vocal Digger / social media crowd who are keen to get some better answers to their questions, unfortunately, while the mechanism that currently exists to get in touch with them is probably lacking (and sorely, from the sounds of some Diggers), its clear that this aspect of Digg isn&#8217;t something that&#8217;s a priority for them to fix &#8212; improving and adding new features to Digg is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how that part of the debate evolves from townhall meeting, to townhall meeting.</p>
<p><strong>More: </strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Mat Ingram&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/02/25/digg-town-hall-no-secret-moderators/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mathewingram.com');" target="_blank">wrap up</a></li>
<li>Social News Watch&#8217;s <a href="http://socialnewswatch.com/town-hall/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/socialnewswatch.com');" target="_blank">thoughts on the auto bury denial</a></li>
<li>Mashable&#8217;s embeded <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/02/25/digg-townhall-liveblog/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/mashable.com');" target="_blank">Ustream of the entire Digg Town Hall</a></li>
<li>CNet who thinks there was <a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13577_3-9879080-36.html?part=rss&amp;tag=feed&amp;subj=TheSocial" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.news.com');" target="_blank">too much navel gazing</a></li>
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		<title>* Low Engagement, Flattening Traffic, Gets Rewarded At Digg-Clone, Mixx</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you be surprised if a Digg clone got millions of dollars to clone &#8230; well, Digg?  I know I would.  Fine, there are some finer features that distinguish it from the king of the social news mountain, but surely anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that no other new [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you be surprised if <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/02/24/mixx-social-news-competitor-to-digg-raises-another-2-million/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/venturebeat.com');" target="_blank">a Digg clone got millions of dollars to clone &#8230; well, Digg?</a>  I know I would.  Fine, there are s<a href="http://blog.mixx.com/2008/02/19/adding-more-ingredients-to-the-mixx-related-content/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/blog.mixx.com');" target="_blank">ome finer features that distinguish it</a> from the king of the social news mountain, but surely anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that no other new niche player is going to make a dent in this category, particularly when it looks so Digg-like.  The other thing that makes it look bush-league and less-than-primetime (and I don&#8217;t mean in an <a href="http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Saturday_Night_Live_(1975-1980)" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/en.wikipedia.org');" target="_blank">SNL-kind of way</a>) is the fact that there are so few votes per story.  <strike>25 </strike>30 or so<strike> </strike>seems to be the top, but there are some stories with only ONE vote on the &#8220;front&#8221; page.  Low engagement levels are a sure sign that things are still in their infancy, and on a social news site?  Unfortunately that&#8217;s real easy to see (that, and its <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mixx.com/?metric=uv" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/siteanalytics.compete.com');" target="_blank">flattening off traffic levels</a> &#8212; I&#8217;m aware of the possible seasonal drop, but my money is that the dip is way too large to represent a seasonal thing, but time will tell, I&#8217;m sure).  Now granted, some of it might be the weekend effect, but another way to measure mediocre engagement?  The <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/118153/stop-forum-spam-forum-banlist" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">incredible</a> <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/118157/mahalo-is-covering-oscar-winners-2008-live" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">dearth</a> <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/117740/technology-aids-obama-s-outreach-drive-the-boston-globe" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">of</a> <a href="http://www.mixx.com/stories/118422/digg-competitor-mixx-takes-2-million-series-b" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.mixx.com');" target="_blank">comments</a> for most submissions.</p>
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