How to Make Conversational Marketing “Work” (Or, A Recipe For Real Conversations)

John Batelle has responded to some of the criticisms of the technosphere to Federated Media’s hamfisted attempts at “Conversational Marketing”, and for the most part, doesn’t back down. Microsoft had no ill intent. Neither did bloggers involved. We should all just try and get used to things because we’re all taking part in how new media marketing is evolving.

Meh.

How about less mea culpa and more solutions?

I think that this whole hubaloo could have been resolved with a bit of smarter marketing — with the goal to making the conversations and interactions seem a little more natural, a little less forced, and therefore, preserve the integrity of all involved.

How could we do this?

Well, the real problem with Federated Media’s gaffe is *not* that they got Microsoft to host a discussion about something. Rather, the problem was how they did it. The result seemed artificial, forced, and it made some of these bloggers seem like shills because they were getting compensated — in a round about way — to talk about something that they might never have done in the first place.The solution?

If Microsoft really *is* interested in hosting a discussion, it might have succeeded by doing the following:

  • Choosing a generic topic: Don’t choose a bloody slogan that everyone knows the sponsoring company is trying to promote. I don’t care if Microsoft’s motives were the purest and most noble — the very fact that it wanted people to talk about what “people ready” meant to them is essentially asking bloggers to talk about what Microsoft’s new slogan means to them. If Microsoft was *really* interested in hosting a conversation, why make it all about Microsoft? Better yet, why not be subtle about it? Why not host a conversation about, say, the importance of people — real, fallible, yet extraordinary individuals, who are helping you succeed? Sure, have the “People Ready” label splashed along the top, if you want. But start it off on the right foot by making it seem like you’re interested in a conversation that’s more about the topic and less about yourself.
  • Getting natural opinion leaders to participate: Why not choose bloggers who have an opinion about that topic? The importance of people? Why not get bloggers who know a thing or three about human resources or the humanity behind what makes blogging work? Or how about a blogger or two who have overcome particular adversities without any extraordinary technology or know how? Look at the bloggers who are involved with the People Ready campaign. Do any of these bloggers fit that mold? Some of them do. Many of them don’t. That incongruency leads to question the integrity of the campaign and the bloggers involved. Why not reverse that by hiring voices that make sense as part of the conversation?
  • Ensure that a diversity of opinion is cultivated: In choosing those voices, doesn’t it make sense to not only choose voices which are relevant, but voices which are also diverse? Here’s another way to foster integrity: making sure that you acknowledge dissenting voices, particularly ones which don’t like you or even what you do. Can you imagine how much credibility Microsoft would have gotten if it sought out bloggers who might have a history of, let’s say, of being Pro-Linux, and yet still having something interesting or important to say about being People Ready? Or, having the guts to bring out an opinion about how *linux* enabled a blogger to be “people ready”? How much integrity do you think Microsoft would have then?

In many ways, these kinds of tips are quite similar to what, I think, makes a panel at a conference work. Same principles here as it is there — you’re aiming for a lively conversation that sparks some healthy thought and debate. Even if there are sponsors for the entire *conference*, you don’t want the conference to seem like its content is unduly influenced *by* those sponsors.

You would never see a conference panel being sponsored by Microsoft, and having the panelists discussing what “People Powered” meant to them, now would you?

I mean, that would seem artificial, forced, and quite frankly, a little fake. It might make you question the conference, the sponsors, and even the panelists up there.

And with all due respect to Robert Scoble, this is more than an issue of disclosure, because when you do it smartly, the issue of disclosure is really irrelevant. That is, no one will ever question your integrity, or any undue bias, because the conversation will sound — and BE — natural. You’d have people who would naturally talk about the topic to be … well, talking about it. And like the best conversations, you’d have dissenting opinions — even perhaps, against the whole notion of what the topic is about.

Is this so hard? Does this take an enormous amount of guts to do — to potentially be responsible for a conversation that might spiral out of control? Where you don’t actually *have* much control? Where you might be on the receiving end of some bad publicity?

You know what?

That’s new media, folks. That’s blogging, that’s podcasting, that’s social networking all rolled into one.

You can’t control the conversation any more — but you can be part of it.

And hosting a natural one is one way that marketers can participate. There’s enormous power — and credibility there — for them … if they have the stomachs to do it, and do it the right way.

6 Comments

  1. Posted June 24, 2007 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    I heard a Leo Laporte ad tonight that’s a lot worse than what Federated Media did in terms of endorsements. http://scobleizer.com/2007/06/23/why-can-leo-laporte-and-disney-do-it-but-mike-arrington-and-techcrunch-cant/

  2. Posted June 24, 2007 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Yeah … thanks for pointing that out, Robert.

    I think that there’s a huge difference between what Leo did and what’s going on with Federated Media. I left a comment on your own blog over here:
    http://scobleizer.com/2007/06/23/why-can-leo-laporte-and-disney-do-it-but-mike-arrington-and-techcrunch-cant/#comment-662128

    But, to sum up those opinions:

    1. Leo shouldn’t be treated any differently.
    2. On traditional media, there is an expectation that celebrities of all types shill to some degree — “its no big deal”, compared to the blogosphere where standards are different. It probably has to do something with how blogs and bloggers are received, that is, with more credibility.
    3. The product that Leo is sponsoring or shilling for is pretty inocuous and isn’t incongruent to what Leo talks about week to week. If it was, then you’d have a problem. And that problem is what’s going on with Conversational Marketing and Federated Media.

    Namely that the “conversation” is lame and forced, and when you have the incongruency — it makes everyone question your integrity, your products integrity and pretty much everything else.

    Cheers
    t @ dji

  3. Allen Stern
    Posted June 24, 2007 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    I am working on my thoughts on this whole topic but what’s interesting is that the Microsoft laptop deal went to a lot of the same “a-listers”. In this case, either MSFT or FM went to the other and got their a-rod and jeter’s to work with them.

    Now here is a clarifying question… the ask.com ads that feature arrington and others – were those paid as well? I was assuming that they picked up some text from a blog post and used that. Or was this paid as well?

    This is the line from Mike’s inital comments that worries me: “generally FM suggests some language and we approve or tweak it to make it less lame.”

    Had Mike said, “These are my thoughts…” I would be more comfortable. Of course, this happens on tv everyday. Do you think that Sally Field really wants to say every word about Boniva? Do you think Jeff Gordon drinks Pepsi because its just plain better than Coke?

    Part of this leads me back to Suze Orman, the supposed financial guru. I won’t go into why she is or isnt a guru but a marketing machine with Digg-like fanboys/girls. But about 4 yrs ago, she signed on to do a deal with GM for their cars and loans. Within weeks the backlash started. You are supposed to be non-biased and now you are pushing one car or loan over another came the cries. The ads seemed to stop pretty quickly.

    I also struggle with why a journalist should be so limited in their ability to generate revenue while an actor or sports star can sign to the highest bidder without thinking twice. Believe me, Air Jordans would have been Reebok’s had they provided more money.

  4. Posted June 24, 2007 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Tony I think you’ve given a good recipe for a quality conversation and perhaps even quality marketing. However I don’t think corporate advertising budgets will fund something so … objective and open. By design good advertising tends to be targeted, proactive, and at least at the basic level “manipulative”. John might argue with that last point and I’d like to see it happen, but based on the comments from those involved I think I want to keep the conversation in the posts and the advertising … on the side. But like you I’m not so much outraged by all this happening as I am outraged by the lame defenses of the practice as “new media” rather than admission this is another manifestation of the “same old BS”.

  5. Posted June 25, 2007 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Joe — thanks for your thoughts.

    While I agree that “good advertising tends to be targeted, proactive and at least manipulative”, I think perhaps what you also mean is that “traditional” advertising is all of those thigns as well.

    Designing strategies for an interactive and social ecosystem is something that Federated Media was trying to do. Sure, give John Batelle and Neil Chase small pats on the back for trying something new if you want (you probably don’t — but you know what I mean ;)

    But its a stilted frankenstein of a product nonetheless, being neither a genuine “conversation” or a “real” ad.

    Which, I think, is something we can agree on.

    I’ve written about the need for media literacy in the past, and I think this kind of misadventure is in part why. Sure, Federated Media’s clumsy ham-fisted attempt at a sponsored conversation is easy to detect (and criticize). I am a little leery of when it gets so sophisticated that I can’t.

    (or, the average person can’t)

    Cheers
    t @ dji

  6. Posted June 25, 2007 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Allen,

    Good thoughts all around. As for your last query, I think the reason why journalists *can’t* while athletes *can* is because the nature of their profession.

    Athletes are paid to hit a ball, throw a ball in a hoop, or hit each other. Their integrity is secondary to that (although it shouldn’t be).

    Journalists are paid to report on the news, and the implicit message is that what they report on is truthful (if not truthy).

    Because journalists need to be truthful, their integrity is paramount. You can’t believe the news if you think the reporter is a faker — because then you start doubting what they’re doing.

    Hey — my $0.02. ;)

    Cheers
    t @ dji

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