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		<title>By: sex shop</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/04/25/is-firefoxs-discontent-opportunity-for-another-better-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-228001</link>
		<dc:creator>sex shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 10:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for all. eyvallah sağol. iyi bir site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for all. eyvallah sağol. iyi bir site.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Mozilla Prez Insults Intelligence Of Firefox Users Worldwide, Denies Bloat In Firefox.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Mozilla Prez Insults Intelligence Of Firefox Users Worldwide, Denies Bloat In Firefox.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ugh. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Make Firefox Faster : Prevent Firefox Memory Leak &#124; iFranky - ongoing live redesign.</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/04/25/is-firefoxs-discontent-opportunity-for-another-better-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-38695</link>
		<dc:creator>Make Firefox Faster : Prevent Firefox Memory Leak &#124; iFranky - ongoing live redesign.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 23:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tony, this one is especially for you. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jayce Ooi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayce Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 03:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed. Really can&#039;t live with tab function in browser nowadays. I am being using Firefox since years. Although I do use IE7 something to check my website layout is ok or not. But most of the time, I use FF to browse. FF rocks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreed. Really can&#8217;t live with tab function in browser nowadays. I am being using Firefox since years. Although I do use IE7 something to check my website layout is ok or not. But most of the time, I use FF to browse. FF rocks!!!</p>
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		<title>By: vanlandw</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanlandw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At work I live on Portable Firefox.  My work PC doesn&#039;t allow me to install software and we haven&#039;t made the jump to IE7.  A life without tabbed browsing is rough.

Gmail/Bloglines open brings Firefox to about 80mb of memory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At work I live on Portable Firefox.  My work PC doesn&#8217;t allow me to install software and we haven&#8217;t made the jump to IE7.  A life without tabbed browsing is rough.</p>
<p>Gmail/Bloglines open brings Firefox to about 80mb of memory</p>
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		<title>By: jangelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://racoma.com.ph/archives/i-just-ditched-firefox-in-favor-of-safari-and-camino&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ditched firefox in favor of Safari on my mac&lt;/a&gt;. I agree with you--it&#039;s just too much of a memory and CPU resource hog! On the PC, though I still use FF.

I&#039;m adjusting, but I think it&#039;s worth it, considering the performance gains (and the added productivity, because with FF I tended to have tons of tabs open).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve <a href="http://racoma.com.ph/archives/i-just-ditched-firefox-in-favor-of-safari-and-camino" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/racoma.com.ph');" rel="nofollow">ditched firefox in favor of Safari on my mac</a>. I agree with you&#8211;it&#8217;s just too much of a memory and CPU resource hog! On the PC, though I still use FF.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m adjusting, but I think it&#8217;s worth it, considering the performance gains (and the added productivity, because with FF I tended to have tons of tabs open).</p>
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		<title>By: franky</title>
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		<dc:creator>franky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The (main) reason why both, FF and Opera, memory hogs are is the restore session feature.

The principle is simple : every that many time, both take a snapshot of your session and this is saved in your RAM. With time it bloats.

Would it be simple to make the snapshot overwrite the former session? Maybe but you&#039;d need at least two snapshots anyway (what if FF crashes while writing a new snapshot?).

Another problem, and the reason why sometimes closing alone isn&#039;t enough, is not only FF&#039;s problem. Hardly any program really &lt;em&gt;gives free&lt;/em&gt; the used RAM after it is closed. Of course the memory is available, but all the data all still there. If a program had to erase ( = overwrite) every time the used memory while closing down, everyone wouyld be whining about the closing down time.

Don&#039;t believe that the Session Manager our main guilty one is? SM saves the full tab history and everything...
Just try to keep on an unused computer FF open for some hours without really visiting any sites. Keep 15 tabs ope, even keep a not too much used Gmail account open, you can even use Gmail Manager for several accounts and have your Twitter tab open. Check after 6-7 hours how &lt;em&gt;little&lt;/em&gt; memory FF has reserved. I guess around 80MB compared to the 230-240+ MB (or more) we are used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (main) reason why both, FF and Opera, memory hogs are is the restore session feature.</p>
<p>The principle is simple : every that many time, both take a snapshot of your session and this is saved in your RAM. With time it bloats.</p>
<p>Would it be simple to make the snapshot overwrite the former session? Maybe but you&#8217;d need at least two snapshots anyway (what if FF crashes while writing a new snapshot?).</p>
<p>Another problem, and the reason why sometimes closing alone isn&#8217;t enough, is not only FF&#8217;s problem. Hardly any program really <em>gives free</em> the used RAM after it is closed. Of course the memory is available, but all the data all still there. If a program had to erase ( = overwrite) every time the used memory while closing down, everyone wouyld be whining about the closing down time.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe that the Session Manager our main guilty one is? SM saves the full tab history and everything&#8230;<br />
Just try to keep on an unused computer FF open for some hours without really visiting any sites. Keep 15 tabs ope, even keep a not too much used Gmail account open, you can even use Gmail Manager for several accounts and have your Twitter tab open. Check after 6-7 hours how <em>little</em> memory FF has reserved. I guess around 80MB compared to the 230-240+ MB (or more) we are used to.</p>
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