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	<title>Comments on: How To Circumvent Early Bird Digger Dilemma</title>
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		<title>By: Top Links - 3/5/07 &#187; Net Business Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/03/04/how-to-circumvent-early-bird-digger-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-19316</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Links - 3/5/07 &#187; Net Business Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tony over at DeepJiveInterests (another one of my favorite blogs) made a post on the beating the &#8220;early bird&#8221; Diggers. I know first hand how bad it can be for a story if someone submits it with a poor headline, bad intro text, or in completely the wrong category. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tony over at DeepJiveInterests (another one of my favorite blogs) made a post on the beating the &#8220;early bird&#8221; Diggers. I know first hand how bad it can be for a story if someone submits it with a poor headline, bad intro text, or in completely the wrong category. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: engtech</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/03/04/how-to-circumvent-early-bird-digger-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-19262</link>
		<dc:creator>engtech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/03/04/how-to-circumvent-early-bird-digger-dilemma/#comment-19262</guid>
		<description>Since it&#039;s your website, you could always just go in and change the post slug on an article that has a crap submission to get past filters.

I wrote a post last week where I looked at all the different ways one of my URLs was saved to del.icio.us because of various reasons:
http://engtech.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/how-to-save-urls/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it&#8217;s your website, you could always just go in and change the post slug on an article that has a crap submission to get past filters.</p>
<p>I wrote a post last week where I looked at all the different ways one of my URLs was saved to del.icio.us because of various reasons:<br />
<a href="http://engtech.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/how-to-save-urls/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/engtech.wordpress.com');" rel="nofollow">http://engtech.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/how-to-save-urls/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stan Schroeder</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/03/04/how-to-circumvent-early-bird-digger-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-19245</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony: you&#039;re probably right about the sophisticated burying algorithm; after all, I&#039;ve been writing about something similar over at 901am.

But I find it very hard to believe that this is the work of a group who hates these blogs, and monitors Digg&#039;s activity for submissions from certain domains. Some of the stories from the previously banned websites have been buried at 1 vote, literally within minutes. Some of these stories were very neutral in nature. I&#039;ve been an avid digger for a long time, and I have never noticed outbursts of hate towards certain domains unless the stories were really controversial/pornographic/spammy. 

Like you say, Digg&#039;s population is vast, but only a tiny fraction of that population monitors upcoming stories as they appear. And I can give you a list of a hundred domains (including deepjiveinterests) that have absolutely all their stories buried in the last 7 days. I think that there might be a bury here and there, but it must be helped by a big push from Digg.

Whether this push is in the form of a black flag, or an algorithm  which severely punishes certain aspects of a domain (previous buries, previous banning, etc), I cannot say, but it&#039;s unfair as it doesn&#039;t seem to apply to A-list sites which get tons of buries too, as can easily be seen on Digg spy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony: you&#8217;re probably right about the sophisticated burying algorithm; after all, I&#8217;ve been writing about something similar over at 901am.</p>
<p>But I find it very hard to believe that this is the work of a group who hates these blogs, and monitors Digg&#8217;s activity for submissions from certain domains. Some of the stories from the previously banned websites have been buried at 1 vote, literally within minutes. Some of these stories were very neutral in nature. I&#8217;ve been an avid digger for a long time, and I have never noticed outbursts of hate towards certain domains unless the stories were really controversial/pornographic/spammy. </p>
<p>Like you say, Digg&#8217;s population is vast, but only a tiny fraction of that population monitors upcoming stories as they appear. And I can give you a list of a hundred domains (including deepjiveinterests) that have absolutely all their stories buried in the last 7 days. I think that there might be a bury here and there, but it must be helped by a big push from Digg.</p>
<p>Whether this push is in the form of a black flag, or an algorithm  which severely punishes certain aspects of a domain (previous buries, previous banning, etc), I cannot say, but it&#8217;s unfair as it doesn&#8217;t seem to apply to A-list sites which get tons of buries too, as can easily be seen on Digg spy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/03/04/how-to-circumvent-early-bird-digger-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-19240</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Stan -- believe me, even though the domains were just reinstated I&#039;ve encountered the easy-buried phenomena for months.  I know that Dan Cohn and Steve O&#039;Hear wonder, in some part, about an automatic black flag or &quot;silent&quot; bury that you&#039;re talking about, but I&#039;m in the opposite camp.

I don&#039;t think it exists; rather, its a combination of a sophisticated burying algorithm (I&#039;mi sure that the ease of burying something varies with how recent something is and other factors, such as how many existing votes it has, plus the domain&#039;s history of buries etc) + the absolute hatred that people have for the URLs you mention and/or the topics they represent.

You wondered whether or not its possible for people to monitor certain kind of URLs people submit?  Well, it is possible as you can follow the RSS feeds of any search term -- and you just have to search for the domain of choice to follow it.

You make tons of good points and hypotheses; however, I think at the end of the day we underestimate the shear loathing a subset of the Digg population has for blogs -- in general.  I&#039;ll try and dig up some examples, but every now and again, it appears in teh comments portion of a dugg blog post.  And since Digg is so large, it only needs a tiny sliver of a sliver of people to feel the same way, and bury it.  

Cheers
t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Stan &#8212; believe me, even though the domains were just reinstated I&#8217;ve encountered the easy-buried phenomena for months.  I know that Dan Cohn and Steve O&#8217;Hear wonder, in some part, about an automatic black flag or &#8220;silent&#8221; bury that you&#8217;re talking about, but I&#8217;m in the opposite camp.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it exists; rather, its a combination of a sophisticated burying algorithm (I&#8217;mi sure that the ease of burying something varies with how recent something is and other factors, such as how many existing votes it has, plus the domain&#8217;s history of buries etc) + the absolute hatred that people have for the URLs you mention and/or the topics they represent.</p>
<p>You wondered whether or not its possible for people to monitor certain kind of URLs people submit?  Well, it is possible as you can follow the RSS feeds of any search term &#8212; and you just have to search for the domain of choice to follow it.</p>
<p>You make tons of good points and hypotheses; however, I think at the end of the day we underestimate the shear loathing a subset of the Digg population has for blogs &#8212; in general.  I&#8217;ll try and dig up some examples, but every now and again, it appears in teh comments portion of a dugg blog post.  And since Digg is so large, it only needs a tiny sliver of a sliver of people to feel the same way, and bury it.  </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
t</p>
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		<title>By: franticindustries</title>
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		<dc:creator>franticindustries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony: you might not even know how important this dilemma currently is. Before, if your articles get submitted with bad titles and descriptions, or too often, they would just be forgotten. Now, you risk getting on digg&#039;s kill-list, as I like to call it.

I cannot prove this, but based on very extensive testing (read my post on 901am), it&#039;s a new concept introduced by Digg which enables silent banning of websites they don&#039;t like. Basically, your domain doesn&#039;t get banned, but everything submitted from it will get buried within minutes. 

It&#039;s hard to determine what exactly can cause a domain to get to this status (except the obvious: previous banning), but it&#039;s possible that every little bit counts: bad titles, regular buries, controversial topics, too many submissions from the same domain, intentional duplicates (as you call it, black bird). 

So, webmasters have absolutely no control on who submits their stories to Digg, and yet it can probably result in a silent ban. 

(I&#039;m going to shorten the rant now, don&#039;t want to have a 5-page comment (;. If you want more information on this topic, please contact me via e-mail)

The bottom line is that the new system is horrible, and there&#039;s no good way to protect your site from it because you depend on submissions from others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony: you might not even know how important this dilemma currently is. Before, if your articles get submitted with bad titles and descriptions, or too often, they would just be forgotten. Now, you risk getting on digg&#8217;s kill-list, as I like to call it.</p>
<p>I cannot prove this, but based on very extensive testing (read my post on 901am), it&#8217;s a new concept introduced by Digg which enables silent banning of websites they don&#8217;t like. Basically, your domain doesn&#8217;t get banned, but everything submitted from it will get buried within minutes. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to determine what exactly can cause a domain to get to this status (except the obvious: previous banning), but it&#8217;s possible that every little bit counts: bad titles, regular buries, controversial topics, too many submissions from the same domain, intentional duplicates (as you call it, black bird). </p>
<p>So, webmasters have absolutely no control on who submits their stories to Digg, and yet it can probably result in a silent ban. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m going to shorten the rant now, don&#8217;t want to have a 5-page comment (;. If you want more information on this topic, please contact me via e-mail)</p>
<p>The bottom line is that the new system is horrible, and there&#8217;s no good way to protect your site from it because you depend on submissions from others.</p>
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