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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader&#8221; Exposes Vulnerability of Children, Not Adults</title>
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		<title>By: Quick Links 05 Mar 2007 - Affiliate Marketing Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Links 05 Mar 2007 - Affiliate Marketing Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tony Hung is fearful and tells us why the current education that children are still receiving will in future prevent them from competing globally. And sadly, this is how the education system is in Singapore. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tony Hung is fearful and tells us why the current education that children are still receiving will in future prevent them from competing globally. And sadly, this is how the education system is in Singapore. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Are You Financially Smarter Than A 5th Grader? on InvestorGeeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are You Financially Smarter Than A 5th Grader? on InvestorGeeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was inspired after reading Canadian blogger, Tony Hung&#8217;s short diatribe on who&#8217;s really smarter - the kids or the adults? Tony, if you don&#8217;t know, is an editor at the prominent new media site, BlogHerald. I&#8217;ve had the privilege to meet him, and trust me, he&#8217;s one smart dude! But I digressed since the question remains, who ARE the smart ones? What does it mean to be smart? Is it just about random trivia or knowledge? After all, adults were able to create a show like that to make money! Aha&#8230;. now that money comes into play, that&#8217;s my lame segway to discussing financial smarts! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was inspired after reading Canadian blogger, Tony Hung&#8217;s short diatribe on who&#8217;s really smarter &#8211; the kids or the adults? Tony, if you don&#8217;t know, is an editor at the prominent new media site, BlogHerald. I&#8217;ve had the privilege to meet him, and trust me, he&#8217;s one smart dude! But I digressed since the question remains, who ARE the smart ones? What does it mean to be smart? Is it just about random trivia or knowledge? After all, adults were able to create a show like that to make money! Aha&#8230;. now that money comes into play, that&#8217;s my lame segway to discussing financial smarts! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In speaking with teachers who are friends, there are a few who are concerned with this focus on testing.  

Interestingly, they said there is more flexibility with the lower ages.  But as the ages increase, it becomes more and more regimented and testing-based in Ontario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In speaking with teachers who are friends, there are a few who are concerned with this focus on testing.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, they said there is more flexibility with the lower ages.  But as the ages increase, it becomes more and more regimented and testing-based in Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Putnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Putnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are probably right that these isolated examples are not by themselves creating the next generation of great thinkers.  I also think the reality is that we are looking at the situation in an extreme vacuum.  Without real context of how the lesson is being given, in what context, leading to what, etc, we can only speculate about these &quot;trivial&quot; facts and their lessons.

And as to the ease of accessibility of information as we go forward, that is probably quite true.  But I would again argue that the ease of use is meaningless if people do not even have an intellectual starting point, a way to understand the question in order to search for the answer.  I&#039;d like to think, putting on my rose colored glasses for a moment, that the facts are being taught in a way that helps kids develop analytical thinking - what is the question and how do they know how to find the right answer?

There&#039;s going to be an increasing generation gap on this count, I am sure.  I am very tech savvy and a heavy web/email user.  But when my 9 year old nephew asked me a question about sharks while we were watching a video, I went to a book to find the answer.  I am not sure he would have thought to go to a book, or known how to look for the answer on the web.  

Technology will be of no use if the kids do not have the ability to form the questions in the right way.  For example, will a kid looking for information about which bears are largest be able to distinguish real bears from stuffed bears from gay bears?  Trivial facts are not so trivial when they aid in making distinctions in the search for answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are probably right that these isolated examples are not by themselves creating the next generation of great thinkers.  I also think the reality is that we are looking at the situation in an extreme vacuum.  Without real context of how the lesson is being given, in what context, leading to what, etc, we can only speculate about these &#8220;trivial&#8221; facts and their lessons.</p>
<p>And as to the ease of accessibility of information as we go forward, that is probably quite true.  But I would again argue that the ease of use is meaningless if people do not even have an intellectual starting point, a way to understand the question in order to search for the answer.  I&#8217;d like to think, putting on my rose colored glasses for a moment, that the facts are being taught in a way that helps kids develop analytical thinking &#8211; what is the question and how do they know how to find the right answer?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s going to be an increasing generation gap on this count, I am sure.  I am very tech savvy and a heavy web/email user.  But when my 9 year old nephew asked me a question about sharks while we were watching a video, I went to a book to find the answer.  I am not sure he would have thought to go to a book, or known how to look for the answer on the web.  </p>
<p>Technology will be of no use if the kids do not have the ability to form the questions in the right way.  For example, will a kid looking for information about which bears are largest be able to distinguish real bears from stuffed bears from gay bears?  Trivial facts are not so trivial when they aid in making distinctions in the search for answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ -- you make some good points, but in the &quot;future&quot;, the ease of access to any and all information at one&#039;s fingertips is only going to increase, not decrease.

But having access information doesn&#039;t make one wise.  Being able to understand it, manipulate it, and put it into context does.  

My wife made the same opinion about using those bits of trivia as a stepping stone to encourage further learning about a given topic -- and as a gateway to future interests, and possibly a profession.

I think that&#039;s fine if that&#039;s how its being used; I suspect, however, that many biologists and meteorologists didn&#039;t get their start at learning facts in a classroom -- but other experiences outside of it.

Cheers
t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ &#8212; you make some good points, but in the &#8220;future&#8221;, the ease of access to any and all information at one&#8217;s fingertips is only going to increase, not decrease.</p>
<p>But having access information doesn&#8217;t make one wise.  Being able to understand it, manipulate it, and put it into context does.  </p>
<p>My wife made the same opinion about using those bits of trivia as a stepping stone to encourage further learning about a given topic &#8212; and as a gateway to future interests, and possibly a profession.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s fine if that&#8217;s how its being used; I suspect, however, that many biologists and meteorologists didn&#8217;t get their start at learning facts in a classroom &#8212; but other experiences outside of it.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
t</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Putnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Putnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you say &quot;in an age where Googling it will provide an answer&quot;... 

I wonder.. do we really want to have a world where dependence on computers is so complete?  What do those kids do who are so dependent on tech that they cannot find information any other way? And what happens to their learning when that access is not there?

The issue of what constitutes trivia vs &quot;useful&quot; information is really rather large and relative to where people live, but the underlying issue, IMHO, is how are we wiring kids to learn?  Is it rote, or is it in a way that lends itself to kids continuing to learn as they grow older?  Some of it may be about capturing interest... maybe one of those kids learning about the largest bears will grow up to be a biologist, learning about cloud types might inspire a future meteorologist, etc.  

Just because we find some facts trivial as adults does not make them trivial to ALL adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you say &#8220;in an age where Googling it will provide an answer&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>I wonder.. do we really want to have a world where dependence on computers is so complete?  What do those kids do who are so dependent on tech that they cannot find information any other way? And what happens to their learning when that access is not there?</p>
<p>The issue of what constitutes trivia vs &#8220;useful&#8221; information is really rather large and relative to where people live, but the underlying issue, IMHO, is how are we wiring kids to learn?  Is it rote, or is it in a way that lends itself to kids continuing to learn as they grow older?  Some of it may be about capturing interest&#8230; maybe one of those kids learning about the largest bears will grow up to be a biologist, learning about cloud types might inspire a future meteorologist, etc.  </p>
<p>Just because we find some facts trivial as adults does not make them trivial to ALL adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanner Godarzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanner Godarzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can vouch for this. I think it&#039;s important to know what the biggest bear but not know any way to defend against large bears. Which one could save my life or fill my head with random trivia? Oh right we need to know the random trivia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can vouch for this. I think it&#8217;s important to know what the biggest bear but not know any way to defend against large bears. Which one could save my life or fill my head with random trivia? Oh right we need to know the random trivia.</p>
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